According to a new book- The Other Christ: Padre Pio and 19th Century Italy, by historian Sergio Luzzatto- the “most popular Saint” in Italy, and one of the most popular in the world, might have faked his famous piety. (reference: The Telegraph- UK)
Padre Pio. (The man was bleeding as he served the Host!)
Throughout his life as a priest, beginning in 1911, Padre Pio exhibited stigmata, simulations of the wounds suffered by Jesus on his hands and feet. He died in 1968 and was elevated to the status Saint in 2002 by Pope John Paul II, who is now on his own fast track to Beatification.
Some stigmata are visible- wounds on the hands, feet, back, or rib area that can be seen and cause real suffering in those who manifest them, however they are manifested. Others have invisible stigmata; they suffer for no outward and visible reason(My reaction to the invisible kind: How convenient..!)
Visible Stigmata Invisible Stigmata
It seems that documents have been discovered that were collected from a pharmacist acquaintance of the visibly stigmatisized Padre. Maria Di Vito, an admitted admirer of Pio, claimed that in 1919 she spent a month with him in San Giovanni Rotondo, where he asked her to secretly have a bottle of pure carbolic acid refilled. “For disinfecting syringes,” don’t you know.
This evidence, the caliber of which has thwarted less popular nominees on the road to Sainthood, was apparently dismissed by the Holy See (We saw nothing..), since the very popular Pio’s election was successful.
Pietro Siffi, the president of the Catholic Anti-Defamation League, said: “We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility. We would like to suggest to Mr Luzzatto that he dedicates his energies to studying religion properly.” Thus, doctrinally speaking, “if a Pope says it, I believe it, and that’s that!” Proper religious study, apparently for Signor Siffi, means the unquestioning regurgitation of what already is- supposedly- known.
My argument here is not with Padre Pio- I know nothing about him, other than the fact that his stigmata, along with those of every other stigmati, appear in the wrong place, since Roman nails were almost certainly driven through the wrists, not the hands themselves. My argument is with the blind obedience to religious thought, which always emanates through some human with a political agenda in the guise of holiness. And humans, as most of us can attest from personal experience, screw up. Our human screw-ups, our motivations,even our outright, however well-intended lies should be able to be studied when they have historical import.
And my argument certainly is not with Catholicism, at least not in the sense that Siffi would be accusing author Luzzato of. My argument is with anyone who uses trickery to fool the masses in the perpetuation of THEIR take on Jesus, THEIR “truths” about God, and THEIR authority. If Padre Pio was shown to be a fake on the order of the very non-Catholic Peter Popoff, so be it! Why should any believer have their faith in God threatened by the exposed fakery of someone who skillfully and manipulatively uses God-language for their own ends? Take a look below at Popoff exposed by the Amazing Randi.
Siffi’s argument is the type of argument (or non-argument) engaged in (or not engaged in) by the new (unbelievable!) followers of Popoff, all the adherents of the fraud Benny Hinn, and those who believe Pat Robertson has special ‘words of knowledge’ just for them. It is the kind of specious argument which causes a multi-million dollar waste of money called The Creation Museum to be built in Kentucky, in the perpetuation of human doctrine over God’s truths. It is the kind of argument that causes factions to dig in their heels, even pick up weapons, in the defense of what some pope/preacher/imam or other ‘holy’ personage says is just so.
Anyone who must look at a man, in order to see God, is looking the wrong way. And I see no threat to God at all in telling them that.
October 26, 2007 at 10:50 am
Whether Padre Pio was gulling the credulous masses or not (and, really, were there NO competent medical authorities around who could prove or disprove this “miracle?) is hard to say, given the dearth of evidence. The notion, however, that, no matter what we peep behind the parted curtain, someone invoking Papal Infallibility should snap our eyes forward and our shoulders back is one reason why a religious cult of personality is Not a Good Thing.
Because once you accept that everything Benedict or Oral or, for that matter, Mao says is true, then you’re closing your eyes and handing your wallet/intellect/freedom over to some dude or dudette you hope is as holy and upright as you’ve been led to believe.
That said, Papal Infallibility is a pretty effective mallet with which to Whack-A-Naysayer. I mean, who’re you gonna believe, some lone, irreligious shmoe bearing “facts” or the heir to the keys of St. Peter and his irrefutable say-so?
Good piece, good thoughts.
October 26, 2007 at 4:45 pm
One of the miracles that got Padre Pio canonized, as I recall, was his appearance guiding Allied pilots in a squadron lost in the clouds. The cockpits of several of the airplanes claimed he was just outside their cockpit, guiding them safely onward.
If that was indeed one of the miracles, it would be damnably difficult to fake.
But then, I found this at a page called “Padre Pio and the Stigmata”: “Several days before he died in 1968, all evidence of the wounds disappeared.” Of course, carbolic acid (phenol) probably would leave a scar of some sort.
Apart from the stigmata, Pio was supposed to be a pretty regular guy, not the usual pious sort one would expect to be a saint, or to fake stigmata.
Watch that story.
October 27, 2007 at 10:23 am
Here is a quote from the book Padre Pio and America which explains what
the carbolic acid was actually used for in his friary at that time:
“The boys in the Seraphic College could not understand why their
instructor seemed to be hiding his hands under his garments during the
classes that he was teaching. The Father Guardian, Padre Paolino, noticed
that Pio appeared to be covering up red spots on his hands with the
sleeves of his habit. However, he was not too concerned since he and Padre
Pio had recently received burns on their hands from carbolic acid. The
boys had needed injections to fight the Spanish Flu which was raging at
that time. Due to a shortage of doctors, Padres Paolino and Pio
administered the shots, using carbolic acid as a sterilizing agent.”
Peace,
Frank Rega, author of Padre Pio and America p. 55, TAN Books 2005.
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April 23, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Just to clear things up a bit first, I am a wacko religious right-wing nutjob who believes everything the Catholic Church teaches faithfully and blindly. Having said that, I take comfort in knowing I do not blindly follow the sheer hatred of Protestants (and those who branched off Protestants), Muslims, and atheists in attacking Catholicism, who give no evidence for their own beliefs. I also take comfort in knowing I serve God, not just myself.
Now, why on earth would Padre Pio want to fake is own wounds, inflicting severe pain on himself? The reasons not to are great: it would be blasphemy, because he was a Catholic the media coverage was small and biased anyway, and saints are canonized after their deaths.
For the record, the Vatican “Secret Archives” have limited access. It is very unlikely these documents were just “discovered” because the evil Catholic Church has been hiding them from the eyes of the public. Give me a break. What threat does Padre Pio bring to you? With or without this so-called “evidence,” you non-Catholics didn’t believe he was telling the truth, so why try justifying your opinions? Besides, most of the information is very old records dating back to the medieval eras. The delays in releasing things to the public is more or less because there is so much information that needs to be filed. If people didn’t hate the Catholic Church for their own little reasons, no one would mind the Vatican having an archives with restricted access to it.
When all is said and done, please keep your noses out of the business of the Catholic Church. Don’t mock the Pope or his infallibility because it only gets you a chance to throw potshots at Catholicism. The Church has been around for 2,000 years and won’t be swept away by your opinions.
Oh, and as for “Anyone who must look at a man, in order to see God, is looking the wrong way. And I see no threat to God at all in telling them that,” you obviously don’t know Jesus Christ.
April 23, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Jamie,
You’re not the only one who doesn’t think so!
Blessings..
April 24, 2008 at 3:38 am
Adherents to reason and rational thought normally don’t come off as sounding so defensive.
Why take every critical analysis that isn’t pro-catholic as attacking the church? What? the church can’t take it? Maybe not. But do remember the Catholic church doesn’t have the prettiest history–murderous popes (some with wives others with illegitimate children) crusades, the history of the catholic church in the early Americas is not pretty–how about all the (mostly woman) folks burned because they were witches …remember this was the church that threatened to kill Galileo (or was it copernicus) for saying that the Earth was not circled by the sun. Fast forward to modern day and witness the pedophile scandal that has cost the Vatican millions and millions (if not more)—these holy people who care for us were moving abusive priests around where they did more ill to others. Lovely! I was raised as a catholic-baptised and confirmed-I don’t hate the church I just think this reverence which somehow keeps folks from critically examining the church is not helpful.
I’m certainly no expert but it seems like the catholic church could do with some updating…papal infallibility, the church’s stance on birth control, no woman priests, come on!
Also-It would do us good to remember the conditions that caused the reformation. The catholic church–which apparently we are not allowed to criticize–was selling indulgences-free passes to heaven. hmmmm And taxing people and selling positions within the church hierarchy–the Vatican remains today-a very very wealthy organization with vast holdings. Makes you wonder how the humble Jesus would feel.
Maybe the catholic church could update all it’s archaic doctrine that is not based on the teachings of Jesus.- all the secrecy doesn’t help either.
When I look at all the photos of the Popes most recent visit to the US I’m struck by all the pomp–the fancy clothes, the big hat–not the humility by which christians have been taught (Christ’s teachings) to live.
–sainthood always puzzled me. Although growing up I thought all the saint story were cool. I’m sitting here wondering if there is precedent for sainthood in the bible?
And finally, I know the catholic church does much good-my parents, still devout, serve their community through their parish–that’s great…let’s stick to the stuff that brings us together not wedges us apart.
April 24, 2008 at 11:43 am
I’m sorry, but every image of Padre Pio’s hands indicate some type of skin condition, something severe, like a harsh case of psoriasis, eczema, or scleroderma (which my friend has, is horribly painful, and looks just like pictures of Padre’s hands). Great man, yes! But, people, wake up! Stop depending on others to manifest God in your life. Realize your divinity within the Christ and cultivate the characteristics of the Christ in your own life. The body, mind, and spirit are powerful yet very subtle – don’t be fooled, enthralled, or transfixed by the devilish powers of the mundane world… I PRAY YOU WAKE UP FROM YOUR DREAM.
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May 18, 2008 at 5:34 am
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June 1, 2008 at 8:49 pm
there is no God. This is fake. Wake up people
June 7, 2008 at 10:25 am
padre pio é santo, inquestionavel!
ele realmente é o cara
June 8, 2008 at 9:15 am
Padre Pio is a holy, most venerable saint. He did not fake is stigmata. The catholic church is neither evil nor inept.
Those of us that work hard and earnestly enough to enter into eternal paradise can ask Padre Pio whether or not he was faking. Until then, I’m going to have faith.
June 10, 2008 at 11:42 am
I’m Catholic. In internet discussions, I usually defend Catholicism.
I do not venerate Padre Pio. I’ve read a lot about him, and met those who do venerate him (I am Catholic and know a lot of Catholics) but I’ve never come across any reason to regard Pio as saintly.
Catholics have always regarded Pio with suspicion. It’s not hard to find that out. His own church investigated him, denounced him, and restricted his activities. *Some* in the church supported him, and, in the sense that he was canonized, his supporters won a victory.
but that victory does not erase the many Catholics, allegedly including Pope John XXIII and Pope Benedict XVI, who suspected him.
Jesus is my ultimate role model. Jesus healed the sick and preached good things. He also died for humanity. Since Jesus died for us, no one else has to. If Padre Pio really did have miraculous stigmata, which I sincerely doubt, because God’s aim can’t be that bad — Romans crucified through the wrist, not through the palms — Pio’s stigmata has no religious significance. Jesus died for mankind. Not Padre Pio. Jesus was the son of God. Not Padre Pio.
Jesus said, “Judge a tree by its fruit.” The cult of Mother Teresa has inspired young women to become nuns who serve the poor, and young men and women to volunteer to serve the poor on a short term basis. This is a Christian thing, obedient to Christ’s demands.
What has the cult of Padre Pio produced, other than a lot of money for his hometown, and tacky tourist items?
That is a sincere question, not a sarcastic or rhetorical one. If Pio is truly Christ-like, his cult will have produced Christ-like fruit.
It is possible that Pio mutilated himself out of misguided desire to imitate Christ. It is also possible that he did so to gain power over followers. It is also possible he was mentally ill. During his own lifetime, as part of official church investigations, responsible Catholics advanced these theories.
As stated above, if those of us who doubt Pio are incorrect, the best way to reach us is through rational argument, not through anger, name-calling, claims to infalibility, or sarcasm.
I most appreciate the posts that claim that Pio guided pilots and that Pio used the carbolic acid to sterlize needles. I appreciate that kind of introduction of evidence and respectful discourse. I certainly consider those posts in my understanding of Pio.
If Pio did require the carbolic acid to disinfect syringes, there is no reason why he would have kept that use secret, as the pharmacist alleges.
June 11, 2008 at 6:19 am
A previous poster said this:
“One of the miracles that got Padre Pio canonized, as I recall, was his appearance guiding Allied pilots in a squadron lost in the clouds. The cockpits of several of the airplanes claimed he was just outside their cockpit, guiding them safely onward.
If that was indeed one of the miracles, it would be damnably difficult to fake.”
I googled that and found a claim that Padre Pio appeared in the sky, and prevented bombers from bombing his town in Italy.
I did not find the name of the bombers or the pilots, though.
Without verifiable information, such stories are too similar to urban legends.
If Padre Pio really did appear to pilots, let us know the pilots’ names, and hear their testimony first hand, rather than as a “friend of a friend” story.
July 19, 2008 at 6:39 pm
We have few enough heroic role models in history…it makes no difference to me whether Saint Pio repeatedly scarred himself with carbolic acid to “fake” a closeness to his Lord Jesus…many young men in Manila have literally had themselves nailed to crosses each Good Friday through the years simply to try to get share an experience with their Lord.
Having said that, I don’t believe Padre Pio hurt himself for display purposes, or for any other reason, as there were no scars afterwards, which is kind of miraculous in and of itself regardless of WHAT was causing the images of bleeding holes in his flesh for 50 years.
Even mascara would leave stains, one would think. Just as scrubbing the stains out would leave damage on hands no longer able to heal.
Regardless of the stigmata though, it is what sorts of things the man stood for and against, and, yes, what the faith of millions have witnessed (or, if you are too hard of heart to suffer “witness” then they have “produced”) good through Padre Pio’s faith in God.
And I, am most assuredly NOT a conservative Republican orthodox Catholic. I even voted against the “Catholic” choice in the 2004 election.
September 23, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I find it hard to believe that if his hands were burned with carbolic acid that there was no evidence of scarring at the time of his death. In fact, many attested to his hands being completely renewed and clear of any blemish.
September 26, 2008 at 6:52 pm
God bless one of the greatest confession masters St Pio.
His influence to do good in the world far outweigh any synical reflections of him as a fake. He spent 10 hours every day doing confession getting rid of peoples guilt and sadness.
As far as Im concerned this fact alone makes him a great saint. Sometimes people can’t seem to see the forest from the trees.
I hope that I can follow his dedication to the unconditional love for others.
May all the angels sing your praises most glorious influence. Thankyou for helping us find Jesus through your example. Amen.
October 10, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Yeah, several problems with the fake claim, the first and most important one being that canonization didn’t rest on that alone. The man was a walking miracle factory. Bilocation, cures, apparent ability to read souls in the confessional, the appearance in the sky blocking bombers, on and on. A few of these would have been sufficient to suggest great sanctity or at the very least something markedly out of the ordinary.
Secondly, the carbolic acid claims rest entirely upon one request for acid. One request. With no obvious connections to the wounds in the hands. Is there evidence that he regularly sought a supply of the acid? What of the repeated examinations by doctors of the wounds? Were the wounds consistent with the damage caused by carbolic acid? I was under the impression that acid would be used to cauterize wounds, not induce bleeding, and the bleeding hands happened on a regular basis. That would seem to demand some implement for enlarging the wounds as well as acid–why not one instead of both? Indeed, if he was going to fake nail wounds, why not actually give himself nail wounds? If he was interested in faking it, why was he constantly so anxious to keep them covered, keep them out of sight, make sure to deemphasize them?
Thirdly, Vatican investigations into the causes of saints are quite thorough. We don’t do this lightly. Furthermore, the faith does not hinge on Padre Pio, as several previous posters mentioned. We are not so desperate for miracles that we take anything that pops up. Check out some of the long lists of apparitions that occurred in this past century, and compare them to the number of approved apparitions.
SO what we have is an allegation spun out of a single story which may or may not prove a thing. There are better reasons to doubt than this–are people so desperate to tear down any miracle that the slightest evidence against is accepted without question, while any evidence for is ridiculed and torn to pieces?
November 10, 2008 at 10:42 am
Quote from the article :”Anyone who must look at a man, in order to see God, is looking the wrong way. And I see no threat to God at all in telling them that.”
I remember it is written in the new testament of the bible, Jesus as saying “Anyone who does not love his brother whom can see, cannot love God whom he has never seen.”
November 30, 2008 at 1:16 am
I wanted to state a few facts for you….first off: carbolic acid would not burn a clean wound like those found on Padre Pio’s hands, feet, AND CHEST!! Think about it….putting carbolic acid on the chest would burn right through the chest!! Another point….I too am a stigmatist! I know what it is like to bear these wounds! How do you explain the fragrance of roses??? My wounds bear the same fragrance! And I didn’t use acid. I am a simple man who lives his life around the church. One night after praying heavily and going to bed I awake to bear severe wounds that went clean through my hands and my feet. Realize the severity of your words! The Catholic faith supports those who do not believe regardless of who you are and you false prophets stand here to bash them. When have they ever harmed you. If you don’t have faith or atleast respect for the church you have no right to opinion in the church’s business. I take personal offense to the claims that you make after I recieved my touching by God. BTW, you do realize that that “holy-roller” has NOTHING to do with Padre Pio, don’t you?? Also he was NOT Catholic either. He was a radical protestant! I cannot judge your for I know not what truly lies in your heart. But take notice: “those who wield the sword are one day destined to die by it.”
December 6, 2008 at 11:23 am
so your open wounds smell like roses, eh?
I’ll just take your word on that while, at the same time, recommending that you get some Merthiolate for them, which is also the color of roses..
December 19, 2008 at 8:44 am
Imposition of one’s opinions, on another, I believe can be a sort of violence and brute-ism, in that is disregards the choices and beliefs of the individual. One can, however, do great service to an individual, in recommending to them a truth which would aid their free choice of belief because it would be truth they would be glad to have heard. And the Catholic Church tries to do this, in services of God as a Shepherd to His Flock. This distinction, I think, is what you were looking for when you described the emanating ‘political agenda.’
January 3, 2009 at 10:21 am
Padre Pio humbly succumbed to the will of God, in that since he was one of the few that answered God’s call with unfailing faith. Having witnessed stigmata with my own eyes I will say that it is a miracle to the person it happens to. It is their testiment of faith that makes it admirable. It is not mine or anyone else’s place to judge, that belongs to God alone. If having the marks of Christ brought a few to their knees begging forgiveness at the feet of Christ then it did its purpose. It doesn’t matter if the marks appear in the hands or wrists. What does matter is what the marks mean to the few that bear them and the few that witness them.
We are reminded of the humility and passion of Christ as he hung on the cross for our sins. It is not a Catholic thing especially. As a new convert I appreciate that my denomination of faith allows for modern day miracles. Miracles didn’t stop happening 2000 years ago. They continue and it gives us hope that all things in God are possible. Padre Pio’s administration to the sick was beyond reproach. Wracked by constant pain he still continued his ministry and now a hospital that bears his name has grown and continues ministring to the diseased. What better testiment does a person need upon his death?
I find the man admirable. He dedicated himself to people. Even though he was denounced, hounded and criticized he continued going about God’s business.
March 28, 2009 at 12:25 am
Your lead in on Saint Padre Pio, is quite absurd I must say. The Peer Review process by the Catholic Church is the most stringent Peer Review process in the world.
To suggest that the axioms of this process are not followed and are based upon your misrepresentation and misuse of ‘infallibility” is preposterous.
Come now, you appear to hold yourself out as a pragmatist, yet you do not practice it. Was this by willful design or ignorance?
May 3, 2009 at 11:12 am
Don’t believe anything you read in the British papers about religion. The Telegraph had something in February about a “survey of confessions” and some kind of statistical analysis showing the frequency with which men and women sinned in different ways. It all sounded very improbable, for a vast number of purely practical reasons if no others. Since the article claimed to be based on one in L’Osservatore, whcih my university library has, I looked it up when I was passing the journals reading room one afternoon.
No survey of confessions, no statistical analysis, nothing. A complete fabrication.
Someone wrote a book (a href=”http://books.google.com/books?id=eRvOfTCGVnsC&printsec=frontcover#PRA1-PA905,M1″>the contents page of a similar thing he did some years ago). Someone else wrote an article about the history of the understanding of the capital vices. From this, someone manufactured the Telegraph (and BBC) story. Which featured a true quote (badly translated), some names (author of article, author of book’s preface) and a purely fictional context.
FYI.
(I wrote up the details, badly, here.)
May 3, 2009 at 11:15 am
Oops, where’d my comment go?
A short version, in case the other one did disappear into the ether and not into some moderation box (if the latter, delete this!)
The British media are utterly useless at reporting religion. At least, I assume they are as crap at religion in general as they are at Catholicism. Here’s a (badly-written, sorry) summary of a pure fabrication the Telegraph ran in February.
June 16, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I’ve done a lot of research on this, well not first-hand, but a lot of research online and at the local chemist’s store. If he was using four grams of carbolic acid on his hands, it would definitely burn through, but, he would probably die of his false stigmata. When carbolic acid hits the blood, it basically kills everything off inside of you. You could go into a coma, but most people end up dying. If he were faking it, he would never be able to serve at mass and he would never be able to do confessions. He would be dead; that’s final.